Posted by: ND | November 16, 2009

Book Learning

As my martial arts training progresses I find myself comparing the journey to the one I’ve made in chess. One of the main differences is that chess players are involved in all-out combat whenever we play a game. Martial artists, on the other hand, are almost never called upon to demonstrate any skill except in some controlled and highly legislated way. So competition is not really a good guide and ratings based on results alone are not the way things are done. So how can someone distinguish the good from the bad, particularly with regard to martial arts schools and teachers?

I’ve been asking myself this question of late because I have an urge to extend my Zhan Zhuang practice beyond health applications and learn to actually defend myself. A conversation with my teacher indicated that if I learned Master Lam Kam Chuen’s Tai Chi form it could be used as the basis for some Tai Chi applications.

There are a couple of problems to be overcome here; firstly I’d have to learn the form from a book because my teacher hasn’t qualified in this as yet, though maybe this is not quite as problematic as it seems because to a large extent the Lam style connects the Zhan Zhuang postures. Then I need to acquire a knowledge of applications and maybe some combat practice.

Anyhow, these thoughts have led me to the idea of studying Tai Chi with a student of Dan Docherty, a controversial figure whose book (Complete Tai Chi Chuan) I’m currently reading. It seems that his ‘Wudang Style Tai Chi’ may be just what I need as he takes a broadminded approach to the form whilst applications are studied alongside from day one. They train people to fight (albeit in competition) and this all tallies more closely with my chess experience; book learning plus a bit of combat.


Responses

  1. Nigel writes: “I have an urge to extend my Zhan Zhuang practice beyond health applications and learn to actually defend myself.”

    Having read your blog for a while, the famous scene “Sword versus Gun” from the Indiana Jones movie comes to mind. Nigel, I envision you more like the Indiana Jones character in this clip (rather than his slightly-more-primitive adversary):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cdYrBsWhtk

    Don’t you agree???

  2. Well I might well have gone for the gun option if they were street legal on this fair isle. The most lethal thing I can carry is a walking stick and you can get in trouble for that too. You Americans have all the fun…

    http://snipurl.com/ta1xb [www_dailymail_co_uk]

  3. BTW, I was kicking myself that I didn’t manage to accidentally purchase one of these before they got withdrawn:

    http://snipurl.com/ta1yx [www_telegraph_co_uk]

  4. A friend of mine loaned me her video tape on Tai Chi and I also read up on it in a book that accompanied it. I met her at the health club years ago and I dare say I tried hard to achieve much of the movements that seemed to me more artistic in nature than anything else. Actually I just wanted something to give me greater balance and increased motion awareness. The moves I still remember. It helped me concentrate and to anticipate so to increase my leverage in meeting what ever came my way. By nature I am a kitten at heart and dislike violence of any kind.
    By the way, read my latest articles which you will find interesting. Also, please complete my questionaire if you would be so kind to take the time. Thanks! –Don. (KindredSpirit.)

  5. I should mention my theory on why it’s good for nerdy people (eg many chess players) to learn fighting skills. Basically I believe that one can suffer a sense of being intimidated in any situation in which one encounters a yob (even passing one on the street), so by giving oneself a theoretical chance it vastly increases one’s general sense of confidence and well being. Not only will this make life more pleasant in general, but not showing fear is likely to make a potential attacker think twice.

    Note, btw, that Vassily Smyslov (I think it was him) had the same idea when he had to play Geller, who was a boxer. Part of his preparation was to learn to box.

  6. Nigel:

    As a fellow nerd whose hands must be licensed as a “lethal weapon” (for trading purposes only), I believe there’s a danger associated with false self-confidence.

    If I am walking down a dark, lonely alley, and see a Yob (or yobs) heading toward me, statistically speaking, I am better served by feeling intimidated and crossing the street rather than risking confrontation. Unless one is a Bruce Lee, Indiana Jones, or a trained soldier with a weapon, avoidance of conflict is always the better choice, as most muggers will not cross the street to follow you — and if they do, you should then run like hell.

    I’d suggest that if martial arts training alter one’s perception of the optimal choice, the training may have very negative consequences…

  7. Rocky,

    Have you tested that or seen a study to this effect? I did a search and found reference to a 1984 study by Betty Grayson and Morris Stein which indicated that more confident and graceful movement made one less likely to be selected as a victim:

    http://tkdtutor.com/07Defense/VictimSelection.htm

    This is what martial training will do. I rest my case…

  8. “Graceful movement” is not an option for a klutz such as myself. But carrying a large stick is an option. And here, the analysis gets complex.

    From a review of David Friedman’s Book, “The Economics of Everyday Life” ISBN 0887308856

    “….One little thing that was not fully brought to light occurs in Friedman’s reasoning that his carrying a large walking stick will keep muggers from stealing from him, on the basis that they want to minimize their effort when stealing. “By raising the cost I could inflict on them if I chose to resist, I was also announcing my intention of resisting. They would rationally choose easier prey” (298). “Little old ladies… get mugged. Football players do not” (299).

    Two things are not taken into account in this scenario. The first is that, although carrying a large stick should reduce the probability of getting mugged, since, on the average, muggers should act rationally and avoid targets that raise the cost of mugging, this is only the rationality of all muggings. If you recall the economic application of rationality, it applies to groups; therefore, all muggers as a whole take this into account, reducing the number of people with large sticks who get mugged. It does not preclude any one (or more) mugger who, acting irrationally, decides to attack even a football player carrying a crowbar.

    The second, and possibly the more important, thing to take into consideration is that muggers will probably minimize their effort in relation to the amount of money they expect to get. It then follows that, if a mugger were to infer from your carrying a big stick that you are carrying thousands of dollars, it may then make it more profitable to go after those with big sticks; the mugger would get a bigger return on the output of effort than a little old lady with no stick and not much money

  9. The stick may also imply infirmity and increase the likelihood of being selected that way. But according to the study the selections were made ‘instinctively’ by the predators and not by ‘rational analysis’.

    I also disagree with the assumption that klutzitude is necessarily a permanent condition. Martial arts training will, over time, significantly increase one’s grace of movement and self-awareness.

  10. The Tea Master and The Ronin

    http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=j8c9AAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA190&dq=teamaster+ronin+suzuki&ei=XWcES4iONY-qkATc-pyEDw#v=onepage&q=&f=false

    “He [the teamaster, ie the "nerd"] scrupulously followed the advice given by the swordmaster with the same attitude of mind as when he was serving tea for his friends. When, boldly standing before the ronin, he raised his sword, the ronin saw an altogether different personality before him. He had no chance to give a yell, for he did not know where and how to attack the teaman, who now appeared to him as an embodiment of fearlessness, that is, of the Unconscious. Instead of advancing toward the opponent, the ronin retreated step by step, finally crying, “I’m done, I’m done!” And, throwing up his sword, he prostrated himself on the ground and pitifully asked the teaman’s pardon for his rude request, and then he hurriedly left the field.”

    -D. T. Suzuki, “Zen and Japanese Culture”
    (pg 190-192 for full context of this nerd+yob run-in, and the attitude/posture to be adopted)

  11. Nigel:
    Your point and Dusty’s are well taken and accepted….

    As a closing thought, no matter how hard I study, I think the odds are good that you could beat me in chess blindfolded….which means the optimal strategy for me is to either not play the game or to annoy you so badly that you would rather resign than sit 3 feet from me. As you can tell, I’ve already started working on the latter approach…. Cheers!

  12. I aspire to be like dust, neither to annoy nor be annoyed and only ever fight for reasons of self-defence. So you may go in peace brother Rocky…

  13. Your last comment should be left as a nice ending Nigel, but I can’t resist putting my tuppence-worth in.

    Years ago my Shotokan Senseii told me that people who study martial arts are less likely to be attacked as others subconsciously pick up on their training. I have often pondered this and think there is some truth in it, the study you quote Nigel has similar conclusions to my own. I think there are a range of factors including balance, confidence and, importantly, awareness. Any good martial art will emphasise the importance of an awareness of surroundings and an ability to use peripheral vision, it amazes me how many people walk around staring at the ground (or into their mobile phones).
    Although I think I denied it at the time, one reason I started karate training was to gain confidence. Even when I had attained my shodan (black belt) I still felt I lacked confidence, but I have certainly changed out of all recognition to the nervous youngster of yesteryear, and I believe my remaining doubts are quite well hidden.
    Now I am studying Tai Chi, though I am a novice. At the moment I think that from a purely martial perspective other arts yield quicker results i.e. if your only aim is be confident of handling yourself in a fight then boxing might be a quicker route, but I think something like Tai Chi gives you a lot more beside in mental discipline. More importantly perhaps, you need to find a good instructor and enjoy the class. Another big factor is age: if I study Tai Chi, with a bit of luck I will still be capable of improvement when I am 60. I would suggest that most people’s bodies struggle to cope with the stresses of ‘external’ styles as they age, I know mine does.

    I read a nice quote from a Tai Chi master the other day who said the ultimate aim was to be such a nice person that no one wanted to fight you!

  14. Thanks Kevin, you’ve raised some great points beyond the victimology angle. My choice of the ‘internal’ martial arts (now Tai Chi) essentially came down to age and injury rate. Tai Chi has very few injuries and I don’t know of anyone doing themselves much damage by standing still.

    On the other hand very demanding martial arts such as Karate or TKD may not be too forgiving on the older person, though I’ve heard that there have been some adaptations to Karate used in Germany which can make it much gentler on the older constitution.

    BTW Dan Docherty was also a Karate black belt before switching to Tai Chi. I heard offlist from one chess player and high level martial artist that he once met Docherty at a seminar and opined that he was the best Tai Chi teacher he’d ever seen. So studying with one of his students is probably the best I can do.

    Nigel

  15. Nigel,
    I discovered that one of my colleagues trained in Wudang, he certainly rates it and it definitely seems to empahsise martial effectiveness – clearly this will usually be the case when the instructors have come from another ‘harder’ art. Dan Docherty’s class is near where I work in London Bridge so maybe in the future I will have a look. I would have recommend my teacher’s mentor Sam Masich as I saw him in action on a course last weekend and he is very good, but I don’t think he has a lot of pupils in this country.

    That reminds me, having done several intensive Tai Chi courses recently I am more taken with your idea of intensive chess weekends. I don’t think you got much of a response, at least on this blog, I didn’t reply to your suggestion previously as for me they would probably be too far away. I think I will try to stage my own private effort!

    Regards, Kevin.

  16. Kevin,

    I also like the idea of intensive weekends because regular midweek travel can be very draining. But the main problem I’ve found is having enough space to practice. Most Tai Chi forms are scuppered by my son’s railway track!

    There was some offlist interest in chess training weekends but with my house move still pending I’ve got too much on my plate. Of course if someone else is organising the thing then that’s much easier…

    Nigel


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